Yesterday, I attended the CCTV ! viewers, this is being broadcast It became a hot topic, because the country is open for comments and long-term development plan for education reform which also involves a secondary departmental system should not be canceled, the Plan has been related to the year 2020 from the major policies of Chinese education, such a big things for us to speak today, please go to the guests of the NPC Standing Committee, Association Central Committee Vice-Chairman Mr. Zhu Yongxin, vice president of Western Returned Scholars Association next one is Mr. Wang Huiyao, you are welcome, next to Wang Zhian my colleague, he would as a media observer to participate in our topic today, come on you three gentlemen, first of all thank you for the Lantern Festival, which came to our program, the way in one sentence to elaborate on this issue, is the secondary school should not be canceled Arts Division's position, in a word, the first call Mr Chu.
Zhu Yongxin: word, of course, I think it should be abolished.
Li Xiaomeng: the most simple.
Wanghui Yao: I that this can be canceled, but it should be said to have certain prerequisites.
Li Xiaomeng: Chi Ann.
Wang Zhian: I think high school education, the world did not treat it as a professional education, so it should not be Division of Education.
Li Xiaomeng: So you view is roughly the same, we also conducted a survey reporters to see teachers, students, and more is to see how ordinary people.
【small survey: It should be Arts Division to cancel it?】
Reporter: Arts High School Division I would like to ask this question, you agree also do not agree?
Middle School Student 1: I think the Arts or separately is better. For example, I was theoretical, and if What additional history, geography, virtually on the increased burden, and increase the many, today is the fifth, the Lantern Festival, we have to study here, this is already a separate subject, we have to study here. < br> Middle School Student 2: I much prefer the school departmental system, for reasons that I was learning, so as the time of writing, because the political, historical, arts students that knowledge is not so much, so clearly the feeling of writing a little literary talent, as well as example, there is no write them rich. well I think the high school learning, mainly in the ability of a person, like the delicate arts, as well as a rational science, I think that everyone should be learning.
Middle School Student 3: It is to support the kind of student's personality, is to support the freedom of his own learning space, but if we as high school seniors, for example, a single study science, the pressure has been great, and if, after placement and then cancel the Arts pressure will be greater, there may be a lot of people do not support.
Middle School Student 4: In the long run, one can not deal with life just staring at a thing, he needs with the society, contact with a lot of things in society, many is concerned with the arts, including social sciences, like history, geography, determine some things, this individual's life is also very helpful, but more emphasis on learning science research, it emphasizes the different directions in life So I think that if we abolish the departmental system, can the all-round training, better quality education to improve and help.
parent 1: If I were a child according to the reality of my own, I still favor the division, because he is When high school started, had wanted to study science, but learning to learn a little difficult, switched to the text after the relatively relaxed, his confidence has increased a point of relatively little confidence.
parent 2: should not be divided, but that should not be divided, but since the points, and we Meizhe can only choose one for the children is the future after the election to go wide of such a section, so he is taking the science, if he really engage in History can really read in the Book Building, but was delayed because of this he is canceled, we are the most support, even though he can not keep up, but we feel that future generations benefit.
Secondary School Teachers 1: I think this is a very contradictory things, choose the arts and sciences, but also represent the future career of his choice to go somewhere. The second point, select the arts and sciences, I think there are background applications, like in the past fifties or sixties, a freshman year students must have to learn Chinese, and now this society is information society, knowledge updating so fast that many students just in junior high school, in fact, has been identified in the future to what kind of job, from this we will be given for students to create such an environment, so I quite agree, at present it is quite in favor of the Division of Arts.
secondary school teachers 2: I teach two days of geography, I was junior high school teacher, the departmental system this problem, I even told my mother that day I say, I like to cancel, I have a particularly deep feelings that we associate Branch junior high school geography what are, in particular, do not pay attention to the high school to learn for later, as a special sense of things, they should go master.
secondary school teachers 3: From the perspective of the children grow up this departmental system should be abolished, I think it may be difficult, but I think if considered from the above, is to consider the child's growth, for the future such as the person who, as the value of this society to consider, I think there should be efforts to have a policy, should not be too difficult for what is, just like high school curriculum, not a difficult thing.
【studio Room interview】
Li Xiaomeng: view is indeed different opinions, in fact, today's guest, Mr. Zhu in 2005, when, on the way to CPPCC members put forward to abolish the high school of Arts and Sciences Division, should talk to us about Do you think the ideal is a cancellation of departmental system in what ways?
Zhu Yongxin: Arts Division because I think there are at least four drawbacks, first, it actually weakens the level of liberal arts, because the current selection of liberal arts are basically theoretical science students do not go, so the standard of liberal arts at the gradually declining. Second, it reduces the quality of people, because premature Division, the arts students do not learn physics and chemistry, do not learn naturally, so his scientific spirit, his logic will be greatly affected capacity. and science students, then do not study history, culture, and then not care about human, social, ethnic, so some major problems, so the spirit of science and the humanities Feelings split occurred. Third, it intensified the competitive examination as a sub after the liberal arts are constantly overweight, science is continually overweight, so many students actually created a Four more important, and it is not a lot of people we now see, in fact it largely affects the development of students, after the premature classification, many students may be the wrong points, such as Stanley Chan, Chan Wai In the sophomore year, he is very good in the academic disciplines into the Tsinghua University, he is the exam out of history, of course, Chen Ying, Meth look for him, but he later became a great physicist.
Li Xiaomeng: I You want to verify what is this you say, regardless of Arts and Science, is not it said that the high school, no matter the text or are reasonable, all must learn, all must consider.
Zhu Yongxin: Of course, cancel departmental system and reform our high school curriculum is linked to, that should be required courses plus electives, a large number of elective courses should enable students to choose his favorite subject, his favorite of learning to do .
Li Xiaomeng: Yes, Mr. Wang I want to hear your point of them, what specific aspects, with Mr. Zhu is not the same.
Wanghui Yao: I am a bit different with Mr. Zhu, on this branch of the actual table, I think that in fact the core of the current education reform in the entrance area, if we do not make any change in the college entrance examination system, regardless of Division Division significance is not particularly large, for example, students have just seen, will add to the burden of his Many students complained that change now consider six to nine test, so I think this core, in fact, should we reform our college entrance examination system, such as streamlining our entrance, for example, the college entrance exam twenty-three If the college entrance examination system, after simplification, division is more reasonable to cancel, because this time the students can learn a lot of lessons, you can do many things, not be affected.
Li Xiaomeng: Chi An, cancel or reform the college entrance examination system is not Arts Division to cancel the premise?
Wang Zhian: I think Not necessarily, if you go from today's college entrance examination in the ratio, with a decade ago, or compared with two decades, our entrance is in fact much higher degree of difficulty of the times . Now many say that our education reform, and now the college entrance examination system is not changed, many of our education reform there is no way out, in fact, do not think so, in fact, we can not high school education as a university preparatory education, in fact, he is a lot of people because he can not go to college, he entered the community, so his education is necessary for the other, so I can not because the college entrance examination system said no change in the circumstances, we can not reform itself on the high school education.
Li Xiaomeng : In the case of college entrance examination system of reservations, departmental system can still cancel, do you view this?
Zhu Yongxin: Actually, I think so, as the whole of Shandong Province recently issued a policy, he decreed that in high school, High School Division is not allowed before the end, these can be done.
Wang Yaohui: But I think really the problem is that, if the college entrance examination system is not reformed, we did not go to the core involved, in fact, that is the whole high school stage of these students, including junior secondary level, or even the primary school stage, that is, our education system is the entrance to turn around, and if the future direction of the students were not clearly attributable to the entire secondary, primary and secondary learning system will be affected, so at this stage, The Division points or big, not too much sense. I think the college entrance examination reform, there will be a huge boost, in fact, we will shift from exam-oriented education to quality education, for example, focus on learning to pay attention to his hobbies, even including the extra-curricular activities, even charitable activities, including many ways, so I think the college entrance examination should be simplified, so that it can enable our students to become more involved in other activities, will enable us to improve education.
Li Xiaomeng : The current college entrance examination system is not high school departmental system to cancel an obstacle, we now take a look at the current college entrance examination system in the same situation, some provinces have to try, and we now call connection basic education department of Shandong Province Director of Education Yanping off. Kwan Director, hello!
off Yanping: Hello, good host.
Li Xiaomeng: I know from the 2008 high school students enrolled in the fall, this group started, Shandong not a cent of the province of science, specifically how to approach?
off Yanping: Mr. Zhu has already been mentioned is actually just the practice of reform in Shandong Province, as if last year's Sixteenth, that is, tomorrow, last year, we have engaged in a province of high school principals training course, when we raised at the meeting is to cancel the Arts High School Division, is the reform of the existing high school curriculum under the background of an inevitable choice, because the current high school curriculum reform and the implementation of the compulsory A parallel system of elective courses teaching the students to choose elective courses, Arts and on behalf of his choice, so then the so-called departmental system is not available basis, so based on this situation, we enrolled students from 2008 started in the province which includes all the high school marching, together.
Li Xiaomeng: So you think the current college entrance examination system and will not become an obstacle to cancel the departmental system, right?
off Yanping: Yes, the current the college entrance examination system, of course, imperative that the college entrance examination system reform, it may be high school curriculum reform, including departmental system will bring significant role in promoting, but now, it can not be, should not be a high school canceled Arts Division an obstacle.
Li Xiaomeng: There are many students and parents favor of abolishing the division, regardless of Division One important reason is that after the heavy burden on students, your students will not be increasing the burden?
off Yanping: I have also experienced similar complaints.
Li Xiaomeng: already there are complaints, right?
off Yanping: there are complaints, because we here report box, there are students, some parents, but also from all teachers side letter, I have seen similar comments, but we do not think so, high school departmental system problems, in fact, enrollment rate is one-sided pursuit of a performance, we can not simply as a higher education to prepare high school education stage, more than ten years ago, when our high school has developed, relatively few cases, high school, preparatory high school education may be more obvious effect, but the situation now in Shandong, Shandong Province high school coverage has reached 85%, that almost everyone in high school to high school can, in this case, the high school should have his own position, it should first have a basic stage of life development.
Li Xiaomeng: I would like to ask the relevant Commissioner, is this term's high school students up new tactics, Sichuan or Shanghai, and their examination of the manner how the kind of the?
off Yanping: examinations is in accordance with the elective , required courses, elective modules which are exams, practice tests, examinations are conducted in accordance with the way the module, which is conducted by first credit system.
Li Xiaomeng: Thank you, Director Off. Now we need to narrow the topic In the current reform of college entrance examination system is not the case, should not be canceled departmental system. We also compared the concentration of all three levels of debate comb, let's look at the screen behind us, whether it is conducive to cancel Quality Arts Division education, will increase the burden on students, is conducive to fair and just. Now we all want to know the premise, that first college entrance examination system remains unchanged, the abolition of departmental system conducive to the real quality education, Mr. Zhu.
Zhu Yongxin: I think these three problems can be very clear answer, the first cancellation in favor of quality education, as I have explained earlier, because the quality of people is a comprehensive scientific spirit and human feelings, it should be said to be inseparable , so of course, is conducive to quality education.
Li Xiaomeng: Mr Wang, you do?
Wang Huiyao: Actually I think that cancel departmental system in the long run is necessary, but we still keep up supporting measures , and just said, do not change the existing entrance that case, of course, I still think that is to say, as long as students can afford, of course, you can.
Li Xiaomeng: Will it be the abolition of departmental system, and improve the overall quality.
Wang Huiyao: This is no doubt that the abolition of departmental system, is certainly will round development of students, learning more things, be fully harvested, but the problem is in our current school system, even the doing so, the effect is not significant because we still turn around the entrance baton, or do we directed at the entrance exam-oriented education, so even if we have such thoughts, but we fail, we want to achieve is to quality education, but due to the entrance straitjacket here, so we not yet reached.
Zhu Yongxin: I used the Nobel Prize winner, called 谢尔顿格拉希 tile word, I think clear enough, he said, To be a civilized people, we must study in literature, said he is for engineering students, so he was very helpful.
Wang Huiyao: Actually, I is not in contradiction with the views Mr. Zhu, but I only said that in the present case, the college entrance examination in our existing system, the quality of the education effect is unattainable.
Li Xiaomeng: Yes, Chi An you think, that canceled the departmental system, it will certainly will increase the overall level of quality education you?
Wang Zhian: I am not so optimistic that the existing education system does not change if, in fact, even engineering students study literature, he may become a multiple choice and fill-in the literature. how to understand what is the quality of education, or how to understand what human spirit, I recall, one educator has said that the so-called education that we learn our knowledge of the school to forget, what is left that part is education, but we usually present inside the secondary education, a large number are actually taught, in fact knowledge, rather than education.
Li Xiaomeng: Why do not you think abolition of departmental system, we will be able to bring good quality education, you support the abolition of departmental system do? < br> Wang Zhian: that is part of the knowledge we learned, can go to forget it, if we never learned, we are far from forgotten. I think for a high school student, mathematics, physics, chemistry, he should, literature he should learn, even if he forgot to go after completing their studies.
Zhu Yongxin: The most critical is, I think, liberal arts Ye Hao, Ye Hao science, we not only learn the knowledge, learning is more important value, because you The problem is just to learn the problems of knowledge and values.
Wang Zhian: The fact is that we are most lacking in secondary education, secondary education, in fact, not only we, in fact, our university has done in this area is very inadequate.
Li Xiaomeng: But I also saw, in some provinces to try, and some candidates to reflect that, regardless of such so-called departmental system, it does have test, in fact, little of each course is, to rise to university, found that those with Sub-division students compared, but less competitive, how to explain this phenomenon?
Zhu Yongxin: So this relates to the questions that follow, the burden of the problem.
Li Xiaomeng: Well, we naturally transition to the second question .
Zhu Yongxin: the so-called burden of fact, not because the more that you learn the more severe the burden, but you let him learn not to learn things, he felt a burden, scientists have sleepless nights, night work, He did not feel a burden, because he loves it, he likes it, so I think the most important for kids to choose what he likes to learn, not closely linked and examinations.
Li Xiaomeng: But Now cancel the departmental system, not to talk to the children with the freedom to choose the space, but to provide what should be a requirement to learn.
Zhu Yongxin: No, cancel departmental system which is the prerequisite, of course, I also opinion in favor of Mr. Wang, it should be high school system reform, in fact, the new high school curriculum has been laid for the lifting of departmental system is very good foundation.
Li Xiaomeng: So you do not that the removal of departmental system, is bound to have the burden of students .
Zhu Yongxin: Sure.
Li Xiaomeng: Mr. Wang's point of view.
Wanghui Yao: I think the school really does not matter how many subjects is important is to develop an analysis of issues and problem-solving skills, such as Albert Einstein to speak, learn and develop your imagination during the most important, the ability to analyze and solve problems is very important, so that I feel that in the present circumstances, if the entrance magic spell is still the case, definitely will be a heavy study load , because this involves the development of future life, in a test set for life, under the premise that we have to cope with this test, with this concern, any learning is to become a burden, and is completely targeted to your exam , you what I am going to test what his purpose is completely different, this utility is very strong, is his game with this system, what you want to test me, I am planning something, and completely not to say that relying on my interests, hobbies, innovation, my imagination, he will not follow this to.
Li Xiaomeng: Yes, may only need to learn before six, seven course, now nine families have to go to meet the test, how can the burden of not to aggravate it?
Wang Zhian: I think If we are from the burden, may be the total will not change much, I think that is canceled departmental system, because of his heavy burden, in addition to just Zhu said, because he learned something he did not want to learn, there are also one of the established rules of the game that is the case, how much knowledge you learn, with how much you need to bear the burden between the relationship might not have much, if we The entrance examination under the rules of the game, you let him learn a lesson, maybe he will put this course, and made heavy burden as now, that you learn a lesson nine course and learning may be the same.
Wanghui Yao: I have a view that quality education, not just learning, in fact, covers many aspects, such as your social ability to work, charity, do community, and your training of other interests, etc. not only is the ability to learn, I think we need to train, including sports and other aspects of his overall quality.
Li Xiaomeng: high school students are now friends of our program, you may think this is too ideal state, whether the abolition of departmental system, is not will increase the burden of students, we look at the practice of Jiangsu Province.
【Jiangsu College Entrance Examination system reform】
Commentary: 2008 in Jiangsu Province and a new entrance program, the language, mathematics, foreign language examination as subjects, high school will cancel the original expedition, comprehensive college entrance examinations, the implementation of the province's high school academic performance test. Jiangsu pattern is called politics, history, geography, material, chemical, biological, technological several doors, including two elective subjects tested, the test subjects five compulsory and elective subjects tested by the candidates in history, choose a material, in politics, geography, chemistry, Biological choose a four-door, in accordance with the provisions of academic proficiency test points A, B, C, D are four levels, five required courses must meet the C grade or above in order to take the exam, two elective courses must reach the B level and above, to apply for college, university, according to language, mathematics, foreign language exam grades three to provide the lowest control score province. Jiangsu college entrance program implementation in 2008 is good, reflecting the different parties, students and parents feel the burden of heavy sigh college admissions rules are too complex and difficult to operate, and others pointed out that this program, Zhong Dengsheng Section for unbiased, the best chance of university, in the admission stage, the new program also encountered some problems, there has been high exam scores, while the lower level of academic proficiency tests phenomenon, taking the half, Jiangsu Department of Education to modify the emergency admission program, provides low-level candidates, as long as the line into the header files to be achieved, as long as the minimum entry score line to reach the school, the school must be admitted unconditionally.
【studio Room interview】
Li Xiaomeng: a very complicated test method, you listen to understand? Chu you clear up?
Zhu Yongxin: In fact I think the college entrance examination reform is to simplify the direction to walk test subjects better, the number of the better test.
Li Xiaomeng: Obviously we said earlier this examination method, and you said the cancellation of departmental system is not a concept.
Zhu Yongxin: Because The Entrance Examination is another more complex topic, I do not think the topic of our discussion today.
Li Xiaomeng: it is a cancellation in the Arts and the division, while improving the overall quality of students, such a premise, to develop such a test methods.
Zhu Yongxin: because there is one other test methods, based on Western psychology, natural science point of view of animals, in fact, can not be simply divided people into arts and sciences, because the animal nature, he argues that human potential a language of intelligence, logical mathematical skills, spatial skills, operation of physical skills, music skills, interpersonal skills, in fact we should give children more space, more courses so that The more he tries, he can really find yourself. less if the school curriculum, the more specific points, the less room for his development, education is a good person, education does not exist for examination, education for people development exist, how can people get the best development, I think this is the issue of education should think about.
Li Xiaomeng: Do not forget our premise that the current college entrance examination system in the same circumstances, it was like Jiangsu province, racked their brains to come up this way, you also feel is not ideal, then how do we do?
Wang Huiyao: So has failed, Jiangsu Province, is not very successful, is because the test has not simplified, for example, we test should be greatly simplified, for example, take a language, mathematics, English and even test some of what I think may be enough, but this number can be many times a year, for example, TOEFL now, China can test many times, why can not the college entrance examination test many times, and now computer technology is so advanced. Another, entrance, from the partial results, could see some other ways, from students all aspects of physical and moral, have been a comprehensive assessment, which may be college entrance an upgrade.
Zhu Yongxin: This relates to the college entrance examination mode, the mode of thinking from the discipline, to move towards scholastic ability, strength, force, or the changing pattern of such studies, this problem will be solved naturally.
Li Xiaomeng: Chi security, just that exams approach, students will be more tired is not.
Wang Zhian: I think the evaluation is of Jiangsu in the end the attempt was not successful, in fact, there are different standards, if you ask the students at that time, he may feel He learned more discipline, he may certainly say I feel tired, but you want to visit try an educator is not successful, the other may need to coordinate more, he may examine the pupil comprehensive knowledge, is not increased compared with the past, I think this is a reference index, we can not simply use an indicator, a latitude to look at this reform, and we are too simple, and we Evaluation of the attempt of Jiangsu, it is a failure, if I succeed, whether you, I think regardless of success or failure of it, should be established to a very scientific and thorough investigation to draw conclusions based on.
Li Xiaomeng: The key depends on the quality of talent is not there to change.
Wang Zhian: Yes, yes, yes.
Li Xiaomeng: We enter to the next level, whether it is conducive to the fair, we speak of an example, Jiangsu Province, just like there is this example, a student, and his score is almost champion, is the first place, but the row with his methods, he has a subject made a reference to B, almost can not go to major universities Such a regime is not about equity?
Zhu Yongxin: this fair with our theme today, departmental system does not have much contact, it is about college entrance examination.
Li Xiaomeng: for example there are people is proposed, for example, rural students, he was entitled to educational resources is not very rich, he caught a good test, also managed to get out, and now have to consider the whole, he may lose the opportunity to attend school would also about equity issues.
Zhu Yongxin: of course, related to the topic we are discussing today, the original intention, because this is the introduction of long-term national planning, it has more than twenty, we departmental system is only one matter of fact I think it is not the dominant one of the most fundamental issues, I think the fundamental problem of the dominant issues of education equity.
Li Xiaomeng: Then why does it become a public concern, the concern is the highest degree of relative a problem.
Zhu Yongxin: Because the people most concerned about their children, so each of us who care about their children will have such a college entrance examination, he was concerned about the entrance examination to be not change, if the college entrance examination to be changed, he would focus Arts should not points. But the most critical issue, I think the education that we may still be a fair question is how to put the question to run every school, every child the best education, education resources allocation, This should be our first long-term education development plan, should be more attention to the problems, but also the entire education system, including reform of our entire pre-school education and so on.
Li Xiaomeng: time, we advanced a advertising, advertising back, the topic continues.
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Li Xiaomeng: Today we are discussing should not be canceled high school of Arts and Sciences Division, in fact, or would like to discuss in what ways is through the real high-quality education from a comprehensive type of talent, and now we have to telephone connection is a professor at Shanghai Jiaotong University, Mr. Xiong Bingqi, Xiong you think that education really good talent available out what is?
Bear Bingqi: I think our departmental system, not Division is just one of our ideal design, if we do not reform the college entrance examination system, and we do not reform the evaluation system of students, the overall quality of the development of our students is difficult. because we know that in the existing education system, we are almost difficulty talking about students of science and technology and human feelings, because the level of students to pursue one-sided score, score high and low case, how can learn more knowledge, but in fact behind this knowledge is actually a memory class knowledge. So I think we should, through our framework for education development, to build multi-evaluation system for students, and around the multiple evaluation system to train the students, including the future of the university culture, but also to work together under the Multi Evaluation System comprehensive reform, the absence of such supporting reform, we just from the local place, Ye Hao reform in terms of subjects, curriculum reform, Ye Hao, Ye Hao, Sichuan or Shanghai, these are some of the issues of our masked by systemic and The inertia will lead to all of our ideal design, to achieve the ideal can not be reached.
Li Xiaomeng: Yes, Mr. Xie Xiexiong. Xiong's method is for students in school evaluation system, to be more to science and reasonable, do not know the three gentlemen to give us what kind of approach to us.
Wanghui Yao: I actually mentioned in my blog Inside this issue, that is, evaluation of students should now have a comprehensive, diversified evaluation, including his school, that is, to simplify the college entrance examination scores, only twenty-three.
Li Xiaomeng: So you are in favor of Mr. Xiong's, Mr. Zhu.
Zhu Yongxin: It should be so, because the whole system of education reform is engineering, evaluation system, examination system, including education, resource allocation system, including the labor employment system and social distribution system, now why the entrance so nervous? Why Division? because employment after university can, and his employment, wages, and his future life have a very close relationship. If the gap between employment, if the distribution of income between people is more narrow, competitive entrance examination he, like the Nordic, high school students can still do minister, the minister of revenue with the income of workers not vary that much, so it is a systematic project the whole community.
Li Xiaomeng: Notes On Do you think to change the student evaluation system is the most important.
Wang Zhian: I think I would like to add that Everyone knows that change the evaluation system is very important, but I think we should want students to have a humanistic qualities, as well as the scientific spirit, first educated themselves must have, which is the reform of college entrance examination system than more important, we now let the teacher to evaluate the students, even to a person's literacy students, educators themselves are not we have this ability? In fact, if we take the standard of education to see many of our secondary schools who, in fact, they are of non-compliance may be.
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